picture if you will, going for a walk in a beautiful forest along a winding path.
as the graveled walkway gently descends you realize you are coming to a picturesque mountain valley.
as you get closer to the clearing you notice a broad field covered by thousands of sheep.
NP: Jehovah is NOT doing anything about this horrible situation. MEN are, good men, decent men (and women of course!)who refuse to wait on Jehovah-do-nothing as Brooklyn commands.
Justice will be served, but Jehovah won't be the author of that justice. Human compassion and determination will. Give credit where it's due, and tell the old do-nothing 'thanks for nothing creep.'
call me a neopositivist, a semi-verificationist or semi-falsificationist, but the claims made by "silentlambs" reminds me of the shakespearean line that was quoted in the creator book published by the wtbts.
that is, the contentions of silentlambs seem like much "sound and fury" that in truth signify nothing.
i am of course referring to the supposed dateline show and the claims made about some members of the gb of jehovah's witnesses.
"Why, I would probably stop being one of Jehovah's Witnesses "
Naw...only honest people do that Greg. Absolutely no fear on that point...
the history of everything and stuff.
(contrary to jw opinion, jehovah doth have a great sense of humor.
after all, he made us, didn't he?
Well you've lost your credibility and any sympathy you might have been trying to muster with this bit of plagiarism. Farkel wrote that satirical piece a couple years ago and you cut & pasted it without giving credit and didn't bother to correct those who assumed you were posting original material. Is this an example of your honesty & integrity in action? Or are you just terminally clueless about netiquette?
call me a neopositivist, a semi-verificationist or semi-falsificationist, but the claims made by "silentlambs" reminds me of the shakespearean line that was quoted in the creator book published by the wtbts.
that is, the contentions of silentlambs seem like much "sound and fury" that in truth signify nothing.
i am of course referring to the supposed dateline show and the claims made about some members of the gb of jehovah's witnesses.
Duns claims he doesn't have time to deal with all the arguments and facts thrust at him; he does however have time to respond ad nauseum to (and with) jibes and personal remarks. He also has time to wax grandiloquent on his chosen rants. He never has time to fully and honestly respond directly, though, to pointed questions.
This follows a pattern set by a certain JW apologist on another forum. THIS IS NOT COINCIDENCE. Let those with discernment take note; those who refuse to learn from their past history are always doomed to repeat it. Duns has not yet learned form his past mistakes. He's still a sneaky bastard and smugly impervious to facts.
I honestly wonder how men of this stripe can ever sleep at night. While he enjoys his online intellectual dilettantism, he ignores all reminders that people are suffering irreversible griefs as a direct result of his religion's policies. He is keenly aware that if he were honest and posted under his real name, he would yet again fall under the critical scrutiny of those whom he defends. Thus, once more, he invents 'personae' with which to enjoy the dangerous savor of 'touching the unclean thing'. The hypocrisy of this behavior apparently escapes him.
This highfalutin form of trolling disgusts me. Duns and his other 'personae' should get some collective balls and face a discussion of the facts with one genuine voice. The same voice that publicly endorses the Watchtower Organization!
in my opinion it should be and a pedophile should never be allowed back into the organization.. the children they abuse suffer for the rest of their lives so why should a pedophile have forgiveness and be reinstated?
waiting said, "But there is a group of persons who just "fall into it" by circumstances.
Such as wife working late for an extended time period. Father or step father alone with teenager.....etc. etc. It may be a like a strange - and wrong - affair, doomed to hurtful failure. But it doesn't mean that same man will be on the hunt for every child in his home and neighborhood for the rest of his life."
I used to believe this. I believed my father was one of these. Then after I came out of secrecy and told my sibs about Dad, the truth came out: I was not his first victim. The extenuating 'circumstances' that I had used to excuse/forgive his behavior were proved entirely SPECIOUS. I was not his first victim. My oldest sister had been his victim right up until he transferred his attentions to me, which happened on the eve of her wedding. (He followed his pattern and quit trying to get at me when I became engaged. Apparently he only wanted untouched girlflesh...)The climate of silence and the blame-the-victim mentality kept her from telling and kept all those who knew or suspected from doing anything when they knew he was at it again with me. Besides, Daddy was such a NICE man, a GOOD man, who would ever believe HE would do anything so dirty and furtive?
Nearly twenty years later, he started in on his granddaughters. He volunteered to babysit while the parents were out of town getting cancer therapy for the mother, and used the time to play his nasty little hand games.
Pedophiles are like cannibals. Get a taste of kid flesh, and no other meat is ever sweet enough. I no longer believe any one of them ever just 'falls into it.' It's a conscious choice. My dad used to tell me I looked just like my dead mother, as if that made him unable to control his actions. All the time he was acting out a pattern of behavior that was familiar and obviously thrilling for him; the blissful leer on his face is etched in my mind forever. I won't believe he 'fell into' that out of anything but free choice. That 'helpless victim of circumstance' bullshit is IMO another weaselly out these pervs use to excuse their nastiness when they get caught. In my case I got blamed for attracting his attention just by looking like Mom!
MY father is paralyzed and tube fed in a nursing home a thousand miles away from me. I was horrified when a psychiatrist said to me, 'GOOD!' when she heard this. Lately that horror has turned to satisfaction. There may not really be a god, but sometimes justice does out. I will not forgive that rat bastard for stealing my innocence. I'm satisfied that he has suffered and still suffers every day. Our balance sheet is now even. His cosmic debt is still way huge though, considering that there are at least three other victims of this perv walking around blaming themselves for 'attracting' his attentions.
poor wt after spending all that money on the pedophile's defense.
man convicted of sexual assault without church testimony.
associated press newswires .
"When do the courts rein in this abuse of privilege?"
When a really good lawyer gets involved in one of these court cases and challenges them on it!
We have the WT's official mouthpieces's statement that elders are all volunteer untrained clergy... it should be possible to use that to challenge the notion that ecclesiastical privilege belongs to such as these. Until that challenge is made in court, WT will continue to hide behind that bulwark.
there will be one about what your favourite color is later... .
Hi Simon: I didn't do the poll because I fall into the 'none of the above' category. Well, actions of elders had a lot to do with my eye-opeing, but it was a combo of things happening over a period of a couple of years that forced me to get out for my own sanity.
I saw ignorant and horribly venal men run roughshod over their flock, using threat of disfellowshipping to cow and silence honest well-deserved criticism of their actions. I saw politicking of the most egregious sort replace shepherding, and the Society's response was to cover it over and kick sand on the mound and instruct the r&f to pretend the hasty burial was in fact a housecleaning. And of course we were told it was just the imperfection of men, and not to blame the org for fostering such men (and keeping them as elders).
A lengthy illness gave me the time and perspective I needed to ponder that situation and its aftermaths; it also gave me a good lesson in how Jdubs treat their sick and needy spiritual sibs. During my illness one of the above elders tried to get my cleaning jobs for his pioneer crew. I wasn't the only single mom he did this to either...our employers were the ones who informed us that this twit was calling them trying to smarm us out of our livelihood. I never received one iota of help or encouragement, not even a phone inquiry regarding my circumstances. I did however get a couple of calls asking if I had a field service report to turn in! As if I should be out preaching while recovering from a systemic viral infection that incapacitated me!
When the 'donation arrangement' was announced, I KNEW in my heart it was some kind of scam. I recall telling my brother, as he gushed over how WONDERFUL it was and how it MUST be proof of Armageddon's imminence, that it looked to me like the perfect scam for the Society to get paid TWICE for each publication (and WAS he peeved at me for saying that! ): and lo, it came to pass just that way! Contribution expected from r&f dub on receipt of literature, and donation solicited at door to be contributed also. It was no shock at all, years later, to read the legal facts online, see the brief of amicus curiae & see WT listed right there with Unification Church & Swaggarrt ministries... it was sweet confirmation that my bullshit detector was spang-on after all!
I didn't get all the damning facts until I'd been out for years. I knew it was a cult before I found the corroborative evidence online, I knew that the smug arrogance typical of JWs was Brooklyn-bred and could not possibly be Godly by any stretch of imagination, but I had precious little 'proof'. I followed my heart, and it led me right out of the org and into the scary realm of personal ethical responsibility. It wasn't until years later that I found the ex-JW community online and learned that I was not alone in my conclusions, and that there was proof that my observations & conclusions were not delusional, but purely factual.
What Zero said resonates with me: "No one certain thing. It was an accrual of issues over several years, both doctrinal and policy, which seemed to get worse with time 'waiting on Jehovah'. Probably what it boiled down to was the emphasis of organization over scripture while denying it."
Honesthearted people can only pretend feces is necessary food for a limited time before becoming terminally heartsick. Most of us here got sick of the stench of all that rotten crap, and got sick of waiting on Jehovah to clean out the privy and cultivate some actual nourishment for the r&f.
The real truth may frighten those still in thrall to the cult, but it's infinitely preferable to be outside that Tower with the hard cold facts, and in the fresh air of common sense and real ethical decency, than to be trapped inside in the darkness being spoonfed spiritual diarrhea.
call me a neopositivist, a semi-verificationist or semi-falsificationist, but the claims made by "silentlambs" reminds me of the shakespearean line that was quoted in the creator book published by the wtbts.
that is, the contentions of silentlambs seem like much "sound and fury" that in truth signify nothing.
i am of course referring to the supposed dateline show and the claims made about some members of the gb of jehovah's witnesses.
Straight from the horse's ass... er... mouth:
"I meant that from what I've read on this board, I think this forum would not help me personally. I'm not interested in agnosticism, atheism, the teachings of Christendom, evolution, drinking kegs of beer, vulgar speech, bitter negativity, spreading rumors, Christian bashing or fornicating left and right with whomever. I do not see much common ground between myself and others on this board. I could go on, but I think you understand what I'm saying."
Thinks he's smarter than everyone else, AND morally superior! Like I said, a pompous ass. He knows he's making a fool of himself, but he has to pretend to disdain everyone here because his pride won't let him drop the snobbery and be just plain human.
ROFL at this bloated ego and the pathetic little mind behind it!!! My family has had a barrel of laughs at this goober's expense, and more to come after the Jdub family gets the full humiliation of realizing that this is the absolute BEST the Society can offer as apology! Keep 'em coming, dunnyboy, you do a great service to those of us trying to reason with our dub relations. Between you, Friday, and You Know, they are so embarrassed, it's cake to get them to listen to reason! Thank you for making our job a little easier.
we would like to ask you good folk ( the bad ones can play as well) for suggestions for baby names.
its getting close now and we need ideas.
we dont know the sex yet.
Yes Feralwoman, I remember that game. Didn't we also take our pet's name and our street name to get a porn star name? So I could be Vanilla Liberty, or Esme Prospect (we live at a corner so I can use either street, LOTS of possibilities) or Peaches Liberty (I like this one).
Any one of which would be way more desirable than the handle I got saddled with in real life.
BTW Ike's name is Isaiah, not Isaac. Poor kid! Too bad common sense hadn't yet reared its head when he was born.
I still say, nice simple names, easily spelled, are a favor to our kids. There are still thousands of choices even if you eliminate all the tricky ones.
I love the name 'Dierdre', also Phoebe and I like Rebbie Jackson's name but would spell it Rhebe. (I'm still pondering a tale of lesbian twin sister porn stars named Phoebe & Rhebe... I am holding out for the Olson twins to play them! ROFL
since the days of da judge, dub leaders have scorned education and science.
to, victims, predators, moral degenerate, selfish, liar, anarchist, pawn of satan, materialistic, drug addicted, fetus-killing, promiscuous slut we can now add homosexual, marriage wrecker, juvenile and adult delinquent with venereal disease.. see what getting a genuine education or reading works by those who have one can do to you?
to victims, predators, moral degenerate, selfish, liar, anarchist, pawn of satan, materialistic, drug addicted, fetus-killing, promiscuous slut, homosexual, marriage wrecker, juvenile and adult delinquent with venereal disease, worship of the wild beast, we add spiritist, atheist, and communist.. *** w55 1/1 8 part 1: early voices (1870-1878) ***.
I am still amazed by the use of loaded language by these control freaks.
'Blood transfusion CRAZE'??????
LMAO right through the frustrated tears,
MD
Farkel you are a peach! You know I was middle-aged before I learned that critical thinking is a GOOD thing! Hopefully with assistance like yours, others won't stay thickheaded as long as I did.
